So now, we have officially become … The Divided States of America.
Officially, yes. But we’ve been heading there for quite some time.
Now we need to make sure we don’t become the Fascist State of AmeriKKKa.
This is very very scary.
And it may get much, much worse: “In Concurring Roe Opinion, Clarence Thomas Calls For Overturning Obergefell, Lawrence, And Griswold Rulings.”
Living in a glass house throwing stones.
After all that Ginni has done that will be exposed by the Jan 6 committee July hearings, Thomas would be wise to shut up and keep his head down. His failure to recuse over her and other rulings will all be brought out. His behavior has forever tainted the Supreme Court. Thomas is Robert’s worst nightmare. The Supreme Court is now considered by many to be a partisan arm of the Republican Party and the Religious Right. Roberts can do nothing about it as the votes would still be 5-4 against him if he sides with the liberal justices. Once Moscow Mitch is in power, he will prevent any Democratic president from putting any nominee on the Supreme Court. So when Alito and Thomas eventually die or retire, the balance of the court won’t change.
Yes. And I can’t help wondering what’s next?
They will be restricting the abortion pill next. During Covid you could get a prescription filled through the internet and mail order. They will stop that immediately. Eventually you won’t even be able to get it at a pharmacy because it will be against the pharmacist’s religion to fill that order.
Birth control will be next, which is already restricted in that you need a prescription and insurance won’t pay for it. You’ll probably need a note from your Father or your Husband to fulfill that prescription. Then eventually, that will also be outlawed. You might still be able to get an IUD in the doctor’s office but we know that is much more dangerous. Implants? All they have to do is let the insurance companies off the hook for paying for anything related to birth control and there won’t be any, except for the wealthy. We all know they can get anything they want. Including an abortion. It’s always been that way.
Thomas wants to rescind gay marriage and put sodomy laws back in place. Thomas should be very careful what direction he takes this country as the next step will be to revoke interracial marriage. It is part of the marriage equality act. Of course, given all Ginni’s indiscretions hitting the fan at the Jan 6 July hearings, he may want to dump her by then.
We just sent this country back into the dark ages when Roe vs Wade got over turned. A sad day in this country’s history.
We’ve basically given up our seat at the grown-ups table. No other first world industrialized country is as barbaric as the U.S. is becoming. Eventually we are going to be kicked out no matter how many guns we have. If the U.S. is stupid enough to re-elect Trump in 2024, the world will turn it’s back on us. No one wants Stupid Toddler at the negotiating table.
To be fair, America, and Americans as a whole, have carried a heavy weight to maintain peace and freedom around the world for several generations. At least for as long as I’ve been alive. Certainly some of that was likely self-interest, but free nations generally have benefitted from the U.S.’s overall aspirations of enlightenment and its’ commitment/support to ensure it. And I believe free, democratic nations allow freedom for it’s citizens.
There’s no doubt that the election of Trump in 2016 was a wake up call to many; the realization that historical role that the U.S. has played on the world stage may not always be there, or may not always be of a benevolent nature in the future.
This latest revelation with Roe vs Wade shows that America is heading down a path that many countries do not want to follow.
Paul, you are so right; I have stated repeatedly over the past 5 or 6 years that I feel as though I have somehow been drawn through a worm-hole in time and that I am living in Germany in the early 1930s. Even if Trump does not get a second chance to finish off this country, we all know that the Republican party will offer up someone equally as evil and aggressive simply because they got away with it once and enjoyed it immensely. The only hope we have is that the Democrat party will come up with a candidate that will polarize and unite those who are in the middle of the division and draw them in; someone with charisma and courage, full of ideas and inspiration, who isn’t afraid to stand up for right against wrong, someone like JFK or Barack Obama, or Hilary Clinton. I know that a lot of people in this country don’t like Hilary, but she did have a lot of good ideas that never were given a chance.
Mike, you see Republicans as a huge threat to America. I do, too.
But, this is exactly how Republicans view Democrats. Really, I’m always astounded when talking with a Republican. They will go on at length at what a danger Democrats are. Of course, it’s all sound bites like: “Democrats are anti-American!” So, I ask for some examples. But they can’t answer. And on and on. My all-time favorite was endlessly hearing: “Trump made America great! It was terrible under Obama!” My reply: “So, you think Trump made America great the day he took office? But, the day before everything was terrible?” Their reply: “Exactly!”
This is, of course, utter lunacy but explains the Republican mind: their fear/fury is all based on lies.
Conversely, when anybody asks me why I view the Republican Party as a direct threat to democracy and to most Americans, I can supply a long list of verifiable things. You know, things based in reality. With the 1/6 attack just one profound, shocking, and alarming example.
In broad daylight, Republicans are trying to overthrow democracy, control women, harm minorities, damage the environment, stop people from voting, and, well, the list goes on. Like being OK with kids being slaughtered.
Democrats, by contrast, work to make the lives of most Americans better.
Charisma and courage? And the ability to beat De Santis? That is going to be a very short list.
Might I add one more criteria. I said it in 2016 and 2018 and 2020 and I’ll say it now. The Democrats need to be recruiting and running younger candidates. Yes, with courage and charisma. It wouldn’t hurt to recruit from the midwest either. Leave the coasts for now. We also need to concentrate on the state level. Hopefully it’s not too late.
I’d like to see how Beto O’Rourke does against Abbott. While it’s bad to win as Governor and turn right around and run for President it’s worse to lose and do it. But Beto is young, energetic and has charisma. He’s certainly courageous.
I also like Mayor Pete. I was hoping he would be the VP pick in 2020. He’s smart, competent, personable and he’s young. They both are. Yes, they are both white men but too bad. Now is not the time for affirmative action and equal opportunity. Now is the time to fight to save America from Republican control and if that means two white men to please the Independents and even some Republicans then do it. There is time for equal opportunity in the future but we can’t risk a loss in 2024. Not after what the SCOTUS just did.
If the Democrats put Biden or Harris or both on the 2024 ticket, the Democrats will lose, despite anything the Republicans do. Their approvals will not support re-election. We cannot afford to lose.
If De Santis is allowed to become president the attacks on the rights of women will accelerate with the collusion of the SCOTUS. This recent decision shows they have no qualms about taking away the rights of women. Thomas made it clear they aren’t going to stop with this Roe decision. He has his eye on marriage equality and sodomy laws. The Anti-abortionists have made it clear they are targeting all of the states and then the abortion pill and then birth control.
Roe was just the camel’s nose.
Mary, it’s normal for a president to start out with high poll numbers (the so-called honeymoon period), and then watch them drop. This has happened to every president since polling began about 120-years ago.
Obama suffered a stunning 30-point drop. Yet, he won his re-election.
Biden has dropped about 13-points. This offers no certainty that he, too, cannot win his re-election.
Biden was soooooooooooooooo not on my list of preferred candidates. Pete was at the top of that list. Then Elizabeth Warren.
Yet, Biden (and his administration) has impressed me. Biden is stronger than I thought he’d be, like in his determination to get us out of Afghanistan.
If he runs again I’ll support him.
If he doesn’t, I hope Pete runs. And I’ll give him 150%. He’s young, dazzlingly intelligent, dazzlingly articulate, and seemingly unruffable. I’ve never been more impressed with a politician.
The biggest problem Biden has, as did Obama, is the media, which is aiding and abetting the GOP to destroy democracy. Here’s a good article detailing this bullshit.
I know all about the dipping after honeymoon and that the first year it’s still the predecessor’s economy. I know that a president doesn’t control the price of gas or inflation.
And none of that matters.
Biden has had plenty of successes and accomplished much despite Republican obstruction.
And none of that matters.
If Biden runs against Trump or De Santis he is going to lose. Because voters aren’t rational, they’re emotional. And as long as Democrats try to sway them with statistics and logic they are going to lose.
Biden’s disapprovals aren’t at Obama level, they are at Trump level and likely to remain there. Biden’s approvals were never as high as Obama so it didn’t take much of a fall to put him in the basement with Trump.
I wanted Elizabeth Warren as president and Mayor Pete as her VP. I knew she’d dip too but she would steer this country through anything with a steady hand and hopefully, after 8 years, Pete would step up and with his 8 years of experience as VP be elected for two terms. Maybe with Beto O’Rourke as his VP. (Or Tammy Duckworth)
Neither party has its finger on the pulse of America. The Republicans think the public loves the SCOTUS decision and their focus will quickly turn back to the economy, the price of gas and food and jobs. The Democrats think the Jan 6 hearings are going to sway all of these people with look how corrupt Republicans are, they are the party of criminals, traitor, coup, lies. Neither are right. Short term, this November, it’s going to be all about Roe because women are not going to forget and they are not going to let the country forget and they are angry. Angrier than when Trump was elected. Remember 2018? I don’t know what it will be like in 2024 but if the Democrats don’t make a decision now and start promoting a young, vibrant, charismatic candidate that can wipe the floor with DeSantis we are going to see the return of something worse than Trump. “Trump with brains.” A Trump that isn’t the butt of jokes every night. A more successful Trump. And if Alito or Thomas retire or drop dead, we’ll get a new, young, even more Deplorable justice for a life time appointment. The only way the court is going to be balanced is if a Democrat makes the next appointment to the SCOTUS and it’s to replace Alito, Thomas or Roberts. It *is* all about the court, it always has been. It’s why the Republicans sold themselves out to a two bit grifter with delusions of Godfatherhood. They needed a Republican in the Oval Office because they would have one, possible more, SCOTUS seats to fill courtesy of Moscow Mitch. It didn’t matter who it was as long as they would play ball. So they put up this failed businessman they figured they could manipulate and control. Not as much as they thought but enough to get their Federalist Society judges on the court. With the help of gullible Murkowski and stupid Collins and DINO Manchin they got them.
Defeating the Republicans in 2022 and 2024 is more important than ever. Keeping the House and regaining a majority in the Senate is also important. Kicking Sinema and Manchin to the curb unless they play ball is also important. Most of all we need to lose that “party of the ancient” appearance. We need fresh young faces and some successes. Because the media isn’t going to give them to us. Joe falling off his bike is too tempting a visual. The Democrats need to drive the narrative they want, not react to whatever they’re blamed for.
I think the Jan 6 hearings are riveting and horrifying. But it’s not going to change many votes and it won’t motivate people to vote in November. There is the danger it will burn them out and turn them off. Grassroots women and men registering voters and knocking on doors is going to get out the vote in November and it must be a Blue vote. But 2024 is two years away and we have no viable candidate.
If the Democrats run Biden again I’ll have no choice but to hold my nose and vote for him. Even knowing that he will lose. And I will hate the DNC for forcing me to do it.
Mary, you wrote: “If Biden runs against Trump or De Santis he is going to lose.”
For, life has a way of unfolding…unpredictably.
You also wrote: “If the Democrats run Biden again”
Democrats don’t run a candidate.
Rather, a person decides to become a candidate. If they win the primary nomination, yes, the DNC will then get behind that candidate.
Tragic indeed! Another example of Republicans do as I say, not as I do. They’re up in arms (literally) whenever someone mentions restricting guns, even though almost 80% of U.S. citizens want gun restrictions. A large percentage of women (and their husbands/boyfriends) want the freedom to choose what they do with their bodies. But Republicans think nothing about taking away these freedoms. And they call themselves the party that wants smaller government. Disgusting.
Maybe if every pro-choice woman in the country bought a gun and got an open carry permit? If anything it at least might deter rape. I can see using “Stand Your Ground” as a defense.
“But your honor, given the high percentage of deaths during childbirth in this country I felt my life was in danger. He was threatening me with his p* . So I shot it off.”
Man, I can’t wait to see the advertisements from the gun manufacturers directed at women for this very purpose. I should go check YouTube.
Or maybe an SNL skit.
Welcome to the United Afghanistates of America.
I really don’t know how the U.S. is going to get out of this, with its political system gerry-rigged and corrupted, its’ institutions compromised, and even SCOTUS infected with its misogynistic, theocracy-driven, constitutional interpretations.
When you undermine women’s rights like this, you are setting in motion a reversal of human rights and freedoms for many. What does it say when the world leaders of the free nations around the world react with shock and dismay at this ruling? When the world stops looking at a nation as inspirational or aspirational – and starts looking at it as if it was some nation like Afghanistan, or Kenya, or Uganda?
I have always maintained that my rights, and many other basic human rights that many of us have enjoyed, that I currently enjoy, have firmly stood on the backs of the women’s rights movement. It’s a signal to me that the U.S. is going to become a hostile place for many people like myself, and many other minority groups, to live freely and in peace.
And don’t get me started on the hypocrisy of the court with that gun ruling.
I just don’t see how this isn’t going to go down a path where America ceases to be an enlightened nation, and becomes a repressive, theocratic, banana republic.
And honestly, I just can’t believe that women in the U.S. are going to go through this.
Thanks, Ross, for letting me ramble about this. It is just so upsetting. I have felt like a frog in a pot of boiling water for a long time now, but this is a very big bubble that has just broken the surface.
I agree with pretty much everything that’s been said here. If the Democrats can’t find some charismatic candidates who can actually win, we are screwed. I like Beto O’Rourke, Mayor Pete, and Julian Castro. Biden will lose if he runs again, for sure.
There are still plenty of states you can stab your baby in the brain and suck out the contents mere moments before the clump of cells was to enter the birth canal. Unlike most European countries. So there is that…
I hardly know where to begin.
First: a 9-month-old baby ready for birth is NOT a clump of cells. Why don’t you understand this?
Second: Why would anybody do what you suggest? I do know of rare cases where giving birth will kill the mother, so a late-term abortion is induced. Are you advocating that women be forced to die during childbirth?
Third: European countries. Huh?
Well, I was being overly dramatic about the clump of cells. However, most abortion advocates won’t actually say when the fetus becomes an independent body, it’s always the woman and the clump of cells. Hell, we have a SCJ who won’t even define what a woman is, even though she is one. Laughable.
Roughly 1% of abortions every year are considered late term, still that’s quite a number at ~6000-10000. And under 7% of those are the hard cases; life or health of the mother, rape or incest, fetal defects. Therefore, the vast majority of late term abortions are for social or economic reasons. That is why the majority of Americans (48%) believe late term abortions should be illegal in most cases. (Versus 34% legal and 18% depends on the situation.) And I never advocated woman should die during childbirth so don’t put words into my mouth.
And I threw in the European countries because the shrieking harpies are planning to go to Europe to get abortions, I guess not realizing most of those countries have some pretty strict laws and time limits on the procedure. The US was pretty liberal with abortion on demand up until the last second. And that is where I think many people had problems with abortion.
My opinion, first trimester, knock your socks off, 13-22 weeks, use caution, after that, it should be rare. Of course, women should be more discerning about letting losers into their beds in the first place, but that’s a topic for another day.
I believe after 7.5 months it’s referred to as a Caesarean Section. If the baby is viable and takes its first breath, congrats you have a bouncing human to add to your collection.
If it’s not, it never had a chance, which is likely why a Caesarean is being performed that late in a pregnancy. In fact, most late term abortions (third trimester) are because the baby is dead and if not removed the mother will go septic and die. That is why Ireland passed abortion laws, because of the death of a mother for this very reason. Her baby was dead and she was going septic and she and her husband were pleading for her life, they still refused to remove the dead baby and she died. People were outraged and rightly so.
Some fetuses have no chance of becoming viable, their genetic abnormalities are inconsistent with life. Those tests are done by amniocentesis at about the 23-25 week period because that is as early as they can do them. That is why abortion laws starting moving the deadlines sooner and sooner until they were before a woman even knew she was pregnant. Reading the accounts of these wives and mothers who desperately wanted a child and then were told their baby would never live is heartbreaking. Forcing women to carry to term a baby that will die or be dead soon after birth is cruel. Reading how the “pro-life” movement doesn’t care if our already high death in childbirth rate soars is disgusting.
The majority of the anti-abortion rhetoric shows ignorance of both science and circumstances as well as what used to be the current law and is designed to be luridly sensational to lure people in. It’s propaganda. Like PETA for people.
No, a Caesarian is when the fetus is removed via surgery. A late-term abortion is induced typically, and the “birth” is vaginal (not to say that some might be surgical but not simply for the time). You are correct that usually, the mother’s life is in danger, or the baby isn’t viable. In 1952, my mother was forced to carry a deceased baby for a few weeks until labor started. It was cruel.
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